| DYS: locus 1-12 | 393 | 390 | 19/394 | 391 | 385a | 385b | 426 | 388 | 439 | 389-1 | 392 | 389-2 | |
| locus | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | |
| Ed Ogle | 13 | 24 | 14 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 11 | 13 | 13 | 29 | |
| Niall Nóigiallach | 13 | 25 +1 | 14 | 11 | 11 -1 | 13 +1 | 12 | 12 | 12 +1 | 13 | 14 +1 | 29 | |
| Atlantic Modal | 13 | 24 | 14 | 11 | 12 | 13* | 13 | 29* | |||||
| Iberia R1b1b2 | 13 | 24 | 14 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 13 | 29 | |||||
| Basque Modal | 13 | 24 | 14 | 11 | NT | NT | 13 | NT | |||||
| Irish Modal | 13 | 25 +1 | 14 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 +1 | 29 |
| A background color on a number indicates I match the same. |
| DYS locus 13-25 | 458 | 459a | 459b | 455 | 454 | 447 | 437 | 448 | 449 | 464a | 464b | 464c | 464d |
| locus | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 |
| Ed Ogle | 18 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 12 | 25 | 15 | 18 | 30 | 15 | 15 | 16 | 17 |
| Niall Nóigiallach | 17 -1 | 9 | 10 +1 | 11 | 11 -1 | 25 | 15 | 18 | 30 | 15 | 16 +1 | 16 | 17 |
| DYS locus 26-37 | 460 | GATA H4 | YCA II a | YCA II b | 456 | 607 | 576 | 570 | CDY a | CDY b | 442 | 438 | |
| locus | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34 | 35 | 36 | 37 | |
| Ed Ogle | 11 | 10 | 19 | 23 | 17 | 15 | 19 | 17 | 35 | 35 | 12 | 12 | |
| DYS locus 38-48 | 531 | 578 | 395S1a | 395S1b | 590 | 537 | 641 | 472 | 406S1 | 511 | 425 | ||
| locus | 38 | 39 | 40 | 41 | 42 | 43 | 44 | 45 | 46 | 47 | 48 | ||
| Ed Ogle | 11 | 9 | 15 | 16 | 8 | 10 | 10 | 8 | 10 | 10 | 12 | ||
| DYS locus 49-59 | 413a | 413b | 557 | 594 | 436 | 490 | 534 | 450 | 444 | 481 | 520 | ||
| locus | 49 | 50 | 51 | 52 | 53 | 54 | 55 | 56 | 57 | 58 | 59 | ||
| Ed Ogle | 22 | 23 | 16 | 10 | 12 | 12 | 15 | 8 | 11 | 24 | 19 | ||
| DYS locus 60-67 | 446 | 617 | 568 | 487 | 572 | 640 | 492 | 565 | |||||
| locus | 60 | 61 | 62 | 63 | 64 | 65 | 66 | 67 | |||||
| Ed Ogle | 15 | 12 | 11 | 13 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | |||||
| 1: (Ed Ogle) Webmaster ; R1b1b2 | Yellow designates the value as an Atlantic Modal marker |
| 2: (Jim Ogle) jmgil@ptd.net ; I1c "I" is Scandinavian. | Green designates the match between me and Niall |
| 3: Niall Nóigiallach - Niall of the Nine Hostages - A famous Irish King | 2 Additional
Atlantic Modal markers can be used in place of DYS388, they are DYS389i = 13 & 389ii = 29 |
| At this point the comparisons below are only those having tested for 37 markers: Less may be valid but certainly needs to be a 100% match to be viable for consideration. |
| In comparing 37 markers, the probability that Mr. Edward G. Ogle, Sr. and Vassar E. Ogle shared a common ancestor within the last... "from 2000" | |||||
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| 2 generations is 8.85% - 1950 |
4 generations is 29.36% - 1900 |
6 generations is 51.41% - 1850 |
8 generations is 69.23% - 1800 |
10 generations is 81.62% - 1750 |
12 generations is 89.48% - 1700 |
| 14 generations is 94.18% - 1650 |
16 generations is 96.86% - 1600 |
18 generations is 98.34% - 1550 |
20 generations is 99.14% - 1500 |
22 generations is 99.56% - 1450 |
24 generations is 99.78% - 1400 |
| In comparing 37 markers, the probability that Mr. Edward G. Ogle, Sr. and Kenneth Eugene Ogle shared a common ancestor within the last... "from 2000" | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 generations is 2.01% - 1950 |
4 generations is 11.72% - 1900 |
6 generations is 28.14% - 1850 |
8 generations is 46.44% - 1800 |
10 generations is 62.79% - 1750 |
12 generations is 75.56% - 1700 |
| 14 generations is 84.64% - 1650 |
16 generations is 90.69% - 1600 |
18 generations is 94.52% - 1550 |
20 generations is 96.85% - 1500 |
22 generations is 98.23% - 1450 |
24 generations is 99.02% - 1400 |
| In comparing 37 markers, the probability that Mr. Edward G. Ogle, Sr. and James Howard Endsley shared a common ancestor within the last... "from 2000" | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 generations is % - 1950 |
4 generations is 12.15% - 1900 |
6 generations is % - 1850 |
8 generations is 47.50% - 1800 |
10 generations is % - 1750 |
12 generations is 76.51% - 1700 |
| 14 generations is % - 1650 |
16 generations is 91.24% - 1600 |
18 generations is % - 1550 |
20 generations is 97.11% - 1500 |
22 generations is % - 1450 |
24 generations is 99.12% - 1400 |
| In comparing 37 markers, the probability that Mr. Edward G. Ogle, Sr. and Dillard D Ensley shared a common ancestor within the last... "from 2000" | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 generations is % - 1950 |
4 generations is 3.63% - 1900 |
6 generations is % - 1850 |
8 generations is 25.74% - 1800 |
10 generations is % - 1750 |
12 generations is 56.14% - 1700 |
| 14 generations is % - 1650 |
16 generations is 78.82% - 1600 |
18 generations is % - 1550 |
20 generations is 91.13% - 1500 |
22 generations is % - 1450 |
24 generations is 96.66% - 1400 |
| In comparing 37 markers, the probability that Mr. Edward G. Ogle, Sr. and Grandson Of Freeman Cratus Childers shared a common ancestor within the last... "from 2000" | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 generations is % - 1950 |
4 generations is 12.41% - 1900 |
6 generations is % - 1850 |
8 generations is 48.13% - 1800 |
10 generations is % - 1750 |
12 generations is 77.07% - 1700 |
| 14 generations is % - 1650 |
16 generations is 91.57% - 1600 |
18 generations is % - 1550 |
20 generations is 97.25% - 1500 |
22 generations is % - 1450 |
24 generations is 99.18% - 1400 |
| In comparing 37 markers, the probability that Mr. Edward G. Ogle, Sr. and Grandson Of Freeman Cratus Childers shared a common ancestor within the last... "from 2000" | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 generations is % - 1950 |
4 generations is 12.41% - 1900 |
6 generations is % - 1850 |
8 generations is 48.13% - 1800 |
10 generations is % - 1750 |
12 generations is 77.07% - 1700 |
| 14 generations is % - 1650 |
16 generations is 91.57% - 1600 |
18 generations is % - 1550 |
20 generations is 97.25% - 1500 |
22 generations is % - 1450 |
24 generations is 99.18% - 1400 |
| Niall Nóigiallach -
Niall of the Nine Hostages - I have 16 of 25 markers that match and 9
markers that are 1 marker off, this makes me wonder, since the
number of my Irish markers are a near equal to the number of British
markers - what exactly gives. ***** Oct 17, 2008 : I have been in contact with a person that works with DNA testing. The relationship I thought I had with the Irish King fellow is, as stated by this fellow “too far in the past to be related in a genealogical time frame”. In other words, the relationship goes so far back that it is untenable in a genealogical sense. BUT ... ***** ***** Nov 8, 2008: Based on more confusing and possibly erroneous calculations, which I will stick with until proven wrong, I have arrived at the following: I have a 50% chance of being related to his 23rd grandson in the year 1032; a 90% chance of being related to his 10th Grandfather in 207 AD; and a 95% chance of being related to his 14th grandfather in 107 AD. The year 1050 is about the end of the last reign of his descendants in Ireland. Not surprisingly close to the year 1055. This again opens the question, is a branch of the Ogle Family actually Celtic.
Prior to the genetic evidence, there had been doubts that Niall actually existed since he existed prior to written records and is often considered a mythological figure. Sources for Niall's existence as a historical king come from Lebor Gabala Erenn, Annals of the Four Masters, and cronicles and legendary tales such as the Adventure of the Sons of Eochaid Mugmedon, and The Death of Niall of the Nine Hostages. However, the genetic evidence confirms ancient fables about Niall and suggests that he may be the forefather of approximately 3 million men in the world today. References High King of Niall: the most fertile man in Ireland Jan Battles The Sunday Times, Times Online Jan 15, 2006 Irish genes span the globe, and one king spawned nearly all Siobhan Kennedy The Sydney Morning Herald January 19, 2006 Irish king left a wide genetic trail Siobhan Kennedy 11:16 a.m. ET Jan. 17, 2006 MSNBC Laoise T. Moore,1,* Brian McEvoy,1,* Eleanor Cape,1 Katharine Simms,2 and Daniel G. Bradley1 A Y-Chromosome Signature of Hegemony in Gaelic Ireland 1 Smurfit Institute of Genetics and 2School of Histories and Humanities, Trinity College, Dublin Am. J. Hum. Genet., 78:334-338, 2006 Abstract: Seventeen-marker simple tandem repeat genetic analysis of Irish Y chromosomes reveals a previously unnoted modal haplotype that peaks in frequency in the northwestern part of the island. It shows a significant association with surnames purported to have descended from the most important and enduring dynasty of early medieval Ireland, the U?Nill. This suggests that such phylogenetic predominance is a biological record of past hegemony and supports the veracity of semimythological early genealogies. The fact that about one in five males sampled in northwestern Ireland is likely a patrilineal descendent of a single early medieval ancestor is a powerful illustration of the potential link between prolificacy and power and of how Y-chromosome phylogeography can be influenced by social selection. Credits: The data on Niall Nóigiallach was extracted from the web of DNA Ancestry Project. |
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FTDNA DYS markers "FTDNA provides the actual scientific Allele values and DYS numbers for your results unless the markers were discovered at the University of Arizona and do not have a publication schedule. When that situation occurs FTDNA provides your results in "scores" to allow us to use the marker without compromising the discoverer until publication dates have been established. FTDNA reports my results below: Here things are shown based on FTDNA test groupings. Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH): The Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype is the most common Y-DNA signature of Europe’s most common Haplogroup, R1b. This group experienced a dramatic population explosion over the past 10,000 years, probably since the end of the last Ice Age that covered most of Europe beginning 20,000 years ago and lasting for 10,000 years. R1b (mine), and its most common Haplotype, exists in high to very high frequencies in all of Western Europe from Spain in the south to the British Isles and western Scandinavia in the north. It appears that approximately 2.5% in Western European males share this most common genetic 12 marker signature and because of its very high frequency we always suggest that for genealogy purposes people in this group should only use our 25 or 37 marker test for their genealogy. Anthropologists have been describing for many years that only a select % of all the males in past societies did the vast majority of fathering, while other males lost the opportunity to pass on their Y-Chromosomal genes. On a lighter note it’s clear that R1b’s Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype has contributed much more than its ‘fair share’ in populating Western Europe. As one would expect the AMH is the most common Haplotype in Europe. They are the following markers: DYS19=14, DYS388=12, DYS390=24, DYS391=11, DYS392=13, DYD393=13. In my table above these markers are located at locus (location) 3-8-2-4-11-1. They may be placed at other locus by different testing companies. It also appears I am in a subgroup called HG1 (DYS388 = 12 - DYS390 = 24) Jim Ogle is an I1c, does anyone remember that diatribe I went thru about Scandinavian ancestry, well that's Jim . Notice that Jim don't carry the AMH codes. I am a R1b1b2 and I carry all the AMH markers. (FTDNA extract) Y-STR Haplotypes discloses European geographic clines. There is a gradient of increasing frequency of these types from East Europe to West Europe. they are at 18% in Europe in general to 33% in Portugal. They follow as: DYS19=14, DYS389i=13, DYS389ii=29, DYS390=24, DYS391=11, DYS392=13, DYS393=13. In my table above these markers are located at locus (location) 3-10-12-2-4-11-1. They may be placed at other locus by different testing companies. So using the Atlantic Haplotype and the Y-STR Haplotype testing - I am solidly in the European Haplogroup R1b. *Also known as DYS 394 **On 5/19/2003, these values were adjusted down by 1 point because of a change in Lab nomenclature. |
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Genetic Distance When comparing samples we show individuals who are closely matched, but not identically matched, as being different by what the Anthropologists call genetic distance. If two people were identical in all markers except they are off in one marker by 1 point, the genetic distance would be 1. If they were off at 2 different markers by 1 point in each marker, then the genetic distance of those two samples would be 2. If they were off by 2 points at one marker and 1 point in a second marker, then the genetic distance would be 3. This is called the Stepwise Model of calculating genetic distance for shallow time depths. (i.e. Genealogy not Anthropology) An example of a genetic distance of 1 is shown below:
Some markers have shown themselves to be more volatile then others and the population geneticists have created a second model to account for these ‘aberrations’. That model is called the Infinite allele model. For markers that fall into this category, despite the fact that two people could be separated by 2 (or 3) mutations, the scientific assumption is that the change took place in a single generation (between a father and a son) and therefore it is treated as a single step, despite the fact that more then one ‘point’ separates two samples. Currently the Scientists have asked us to classify DYS 464 and YCAII a and b as following the Infinite Allele Model. For more on the models used in the scientific community please see this web site built by Dr. Bruce Walsh, a scientific advisor to Family Tree DNA: http://nitro.biosci.arizona.edu/ftdna/TMRCA.html Therefore, when you look at your Y-DNA match page and you see a genetic distance of 1 you most likely have a difference from another person as illustrated in the chart above. The same holds true for a difference with a genetic distance of 2…you are off from another person by 2 - single point mutations. If two individuals match exactly at all loci in a 12 marker test, there is a 50% probability of a MRCA within the last 14 generations (exact value 14.4) or 350 years. |